It appears I am eternally late this month. Like Persephone, at least I keep coming back? I'm so sorry. I've really not had a lot of time in the last couple of weeks to sit down and type this up. :( I am greatly enjoying the convo though!
I'm pretty casual in Great Comet but I love her. I will admit that I flipped through the Great Comet book at a Barnes and Noble and very nearly bought it because it had some fun Amber interview bits and some pictures of her I hadn't seen before. NGL if they put out a Hadestown book I will probably be the first to order because damnnnn.
I'm so freaking late in replying to this I think you will have seen it by now (I recall you were going lateish may?) but: Hades pulling that flower out? DEAD. EVERY TIME. Hades mumbling because he's so unsure of himself but badly wanting to reunite with Persephone? DEAAAAAAAAAD. Hades whispering the words of Promises into her ear as someone pointed out to me while they're doing the hug-dance thing? DEAD GONE UNDER DECEASED GIVE CHARON A COIN I AM UNDONE. The end of that musical basically makes me BAWL.
Like, I feel like Persephone knows enough about what he went through to THINK she completely gets it, while still not knowing enough to completely get it. Which causes more tension, which causes more fights, which...
I hadn't really thought of this but, on reflection, I think this is absolutely true: she probably knows the barest of basics from her mama, and some details from Hades (who I can't see ever really talking about it, much, if more so with her than anyone else) and deciding she knows enough without, actually, knowing enough. I imagine he has a fair amount of trauma from that which probably keeps him close-mouthed on things that actually should be spoken which leads to conflict which leads to arguments which leads to, well... :(
Ugh, just the Titanomachy, in general, KILLS me. I still need to leave you a review of it, but I read your new Makaria fic at lunch and the bit of Demeter giving Hades some sweet stuff because she knew he had a sweet tooth from going up the way they did - heartbreaking. XD Thanks for that! Please don't ever stop I love it
Also, the politics of the Olympians in this show, which I realize is a very minor element, are also super interesting. Persephone's little headshake of don't you even think about it when Hades complains about her leaving the moment mama nature calls? Love. Seph and Hermes broship? Amazing. I'd love to see what exactly the other Olympians think of this mess that's going on between Hades and Seph; are there sides? Are people staying out of it? Why exactly are Seph and Demeter and Hades (and maybe Hermes/Orpheus?) so isolated? Hades it makes sense to be but I do get the sense that Seph and her mama are not so close with the others (who never get a callout at all?) so it makes me wonder if perhaps Hades' decision to grab her has lead to some other family problems, too, if people decide the life/death folks are just too big a mess to deal with. XD (which is saying something by Olympian standards, where hot mess is a basic Wednesday look.)
I flip flop a lot on Hades' age a lot but I think he has to be at least a couple centuries older than her at minimum, since presumably she would have been born after the Titanomachy (then again, with Zeus, who knows; one can imagine he would put sex over say, not leaving some of the people fighting in his army incapacitated by getting them pregnant). Somewhere between 2 centuries and, oh, infinity times. Amber made a comment in an article I saw today about how she and Hades have been together since Dinosaur times and while I realize it's meant to just be "oh this couple have been together for a really long time", I instantly went to BOY BUT WHAT IF THAT IS LITERAL. Like...bare minimum 66 million year relationship? Their relationship, started before there were literally any people to worship them? Blows my mind. I can't imagine literally having watched the entire earth grow and change for millions and millions of years...and watching the one person who you watched all that with start to grow away from you.
(It also makes me wonder about the logic of their aging: do they age, like mortals, but at a far slower rate? Will they one day die? If not, can they control the way they look - is Seph eternally young because her role is to be young? Is Hades' look old because people imagine death to look old?)
I do think there's a fair amount of canon basis to assume their relationship is similar to myth. I tend to write it that way because I really like the extra layer of fucked up family dynamics, though I feel a bit bad because some of the ones I'm writing no have other Olympians in and I feel a bit guilty, oddly, for being like - here's a fic for this fandom where it's like I HOPE YOU LIKE GREEK MYTHOLOGY...GUESS WHO'S APPEARING IN THIS THAT DIDN'T APPEAR IN THE MUSICAL? SURPRISE! ITS HADES MOM! =D
The point you make about them balancing one another's worst points is a really interesting one - I can see that. I think she definitively is the ONLY thing in his life that has ever quite gotten him out of his shell and he's probably the ONLY person in her life besides her mama who can basically get her into responsible adulting. I do think in some ways, like that, they're quite good for one another - but it's fascinating (and realistic) that in many ways, they are also not so good for one another. I feel like with having kids they'd have a lot of tension but also a lot of reasons maybe to try NOT to fall into their old bickering?
And part of the reason why I went for the triplets is because they kind of would have to learn some form of order, and also I literally cannot imagine a worse hell than having to take care of three babies mostly by yourself at various points of the year. It's kind of fascinating that regardless of what parent they live with, they're essentially a part-time single parent - which is a lot of stress, and, also, a lot of sadness, because whichever one isn't going to be with the kids is going to miss an awful lot of milestones. I feel like there'd be tension/jealousy with that, too, especially once the kids were old enough to decide where they wanted to be in the summer...and really, do you want to stay underground might not hold as much appeal as say, do you wanna go to the water park with grandma and go eat peaches with mama. Oof. Not exactly going to be a smooth road, is it?
Speaking of oof, I need to finish the Zag one, I've barely worked on it the past month or so because life got stressful and writing one-shots is easier. I'd like to finish it soonish and Zag is easily my favorite character in it. <3 I will try to work harder on it to finish it sooner.
Also, my god, I LOVE MAKARIA SO MUCH. Her and Hades having identical little tinkering chin-sets and being basically a chip off the old block is AMAZING, and I squee pretty much any time they're on screen together. (Especially her saying everything is her da, and Hades literally trying to get her to say H the very second Persephone is out of the room. xD)
The triplets will def get more fic because when I'm stressed, I write babyfic/kidfic. So far I've started but not finished bits of them with their parents as infants (and Hades is terrified to touch them), children (wherein a child gets sick and WHAT DO), and oddly, a couple with them at different ages with Orpheus of all people and I don't tend to write him much but ???? Who knows. I'm trying to break it up as I post it because uh - it's a lot. XD;
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Date: 2019-05-23 04:14 am (UTC)Like Persephone, at least I keep coming back?I'm so sorry. I've really not had a lot of time in the last couple of weeks to sit down and type this up. :( I am greatly enjoying the convo though!I'm pretty casual in Great Comet but I love her. I will admit that I flipped through the Great Comet book at a Barnes and Noble and very nearly bought it because it had some fun Amber interview bits and some pictures of her I hadn't seen before. NGL if they put out a Hadestown book I will probably be the first to order because damnnnn.
I'm so freaking late in replying to this I think you will have seen it by now (I recall you were going lateish may?) but: Hades pulling that flower out? DEAD. EVERY TIME. Hades mumbling because he's so unsure of himself but badly wanting to reunite with Persephone? DEAAAAAAAAAD. Hades whispering the words of Promises into her ear as someone pointed out to me while they're doing the hug-dance thing? DEAD GONE UNDER DECEASED GIVE CHARON A COIN I AM UNDONE. The end of that musical basically makes me BAWL.
Like, I feel like Persephone knows enough about what he went through to THINK she completely gets it, while still not knowing enough to completely get it. Which causes more tension, which causes more fights, which...
I hadn't really thought of this but, on reflection, I think this is absolutely true: she probably knows the barest of basics from her mama, and some details from Hades (who I can't see ever really talking about it, much, if more so with her than anyone else) and deciding she knows enough without, actually, knowing enough. I imagine he has a fair amount of trauma from that which probably keeps him close-mouthed on things that actually should be spoken which leads to conflict which leads to arguments which leads to, well... :(
Ugh, just the Titanomachy, in general, KILLS me. I still need to leave you a review of it, but I read your new Makaria fic at lunch and the bit of Demeter giving Hades some sweet stuff because she knew he had a sweet tooth from going up the way they did - heartbreaking. XD Thanks for that!
Please don't ever stop I love itAlso, the politics of the Olympians in this show, which I realize is a very minor element, are also super interesting. Persephone's little headshake of don't you even think about it when Hades complains about her leaving the moment mama nature calls? Love. Seph and Hermes broship? Amazing. I'd love to see what exactly the other Olympians think of this mess that's going on between Hades and Seph; are there sides? Are people staying out of it? Why exactly are Seph and Demeter and Hades (and maybe Hermes/Orpheus?) so isolated? Hades it makes sense to be but I do get the sense that Seph and her mama are not so close with the others (who never get a callout at all?) so it makes me wonder if perhaps Hades' decision to grab her has lead to some other family problems, too, if people decide the life/death folks are just too big a mess to deal with. XD (which is saying something by Olympian standards, where hot mess is a basic Wednesday look.)
I flip flop a lot on Hades' age a lot but I think he has to be at least a couple centuries older than her at minimum, since presumably she would have been born after the Titanomachy (then again, with Zeus, who knows; one can imagine he would put sex over say, not leaving some of the people fighting in his army incapacitated by getting them pregnant). Somewhere between 2 centuries and, oh, infinity times. Amber made a comment in an article I saw today about how she and Hades have been together since Dinosaur times and while I realize it's meant to just be "oh this couple have been together for a really long time", I instantly went to BOY BUT WHAT IF THAT IS LITERAL. Like...bare minimum 66 million year relationship? Their relationship, started before there were literally any people to worship them? Blows my mind. I can't imagine literally having watched the entire earth grow and change for millions and millions of years...and watching the one person who you watched all that with start to grow away from you.
(It also makes me wonder about the logic of their aging: do they age, like mortals, but at a far slower rate? Will they one day die? If not, can they control the way they look - is Seph eternally young because her role is to be young? Is Hades' look old because people imagine death to look old?)
I do think there's a fair amount of canon basis to assume their relationship is similar to myth. I tend to write it that way because I really like the extra layer of fucked up family dynamics, though I feel a bit bad because some of the ones I'm writing no have other Olympians in and I feel a bit guilty, oddly, for being like - here's a fic for this fandom where it's like I HOPE YOU LIKE GREEK MYTHOLOGY...GUESS WHO'S APPEARING IN THIS THAT DIDN'T APPEAR IN THE MUSICAL? SURPRISE! ITS HADES MOM! =D
The point you make about them balancing one another's worst points is a really interesting one - I can see that. I think she definitively is the ONLY thing in his life that has ever quite gotten him out of his shell and he's probably the ONLY person in her life besides her mama who can basically get her into responsible adulting. I do think in some ways, like that, they're quite good for one another - but it's fascinating (and realistic) that in many ways, they are also not so good for one another. I feel like with having kids they'd have a lot of tension but also a lot of reasons maybe to try NOT to fall into their old bickering?
And part of the reason why I went for the triplets is because they kind of would have to learn some form of order, and also I literally cannot imagine a worse hell than having to take care of three babies mostly by yourself at various points of the year. It's kind of fascinating that regardless of what parent they live with, they're essentially a part-time single parent - which is a lot of stress, and, also, a lot of sadness, because whichever one isn't going to be with the kids is going to miss an awful lot of milestones. I feel like there'd be tension/jealousy with that, too, especially once the kids were old enough to decide where they wanted to be in the summer...and really, do you want to stay underground might not hold as much appeal as say, do you wanna go to the water park with grandma and go eat peaches with mama. Oof. Not exactly going to be a smooth road, is it?
Speaking of oof, I need to finish the Zag one, I've barely worked on it the past month or so because life got stressful and writing one-shots is easier. I'd like to finish it soonish and Zag is easily my favorite character in it. <3 I will try to work harder on it to finish it sooner.
Also, my god, I LOVE MAKARIA SO MUCH. Her and Hades having identical little tinkering chin-sets and being basically a chip off the old block is AMAZING, and I squee pretty much any time they're on screen together. (Especially her saying everything is her da, and Hades literally trying to get her to say H the very second Persephone is out of the room. xD)
The triplets will def get more fic because when I'm stressed, I write babyfic/kidfic. So far I've started but not finished bits of them with their parents as infants (and Hades is terrified to touch them), children (wherein a child gets sick and WHAT DO), and oddly, a couple with them at different ages with Orpheus of all people and I don't tend to write him much but ???? Who knows. I'm trying to break it up as I post it because uh - it's a lot. XD;